Trillium - Anaheim Station

[Timon]

I'm starting this new thread and making it a sticky. I figured it would be a good place to keep current information about the station.

[jetboatjohnny]

I visited this station late last night, got a great fill. I came down the 5 fwy carpool lane and the exit (Gene Autry) is sweet, it takes you right there. Now getting back on is just as easy, but you cannot legally get back into to regular lanes until miles later past the "crush". I did not know this and illegally crossed to get on the 22 east.
I topped off in Hemet Tues morn (2,800-3800psi .98gge) drove 110 miles to Lancaster, back to Anaheim at 212.3, longest distance I have gone on a tank in my '99 GX. The fuel light came on at 207. I drove most of the trip around 75mph.
The station is lit up now!
J

[jetboatjohnny]

Last night I got about 3300psi, the dispenser showed 82%.
Last Friday I got about the same.
The card reader gave me an error message the first time it connected, but worked fine on the second try (yesterday).

[cngsteve]

4000 PSI this morning. No problem with the reader.

[jetboatjohnny]

I wonder if it's because of the small tank on a GX. I was talking to the SoCalGas rep "Steve" at the show in Vegas, and he was saying the problem at their GG station in the past was some sensor that detects flow rate was allowing the system to stop filling before the tanks were full.
Just a hunch, I will see what happens next week.
I've been filling all week with the 3,000psi hose in Hemet because it's been so dayum busy with buses. I can make my commute no prob.
I noticed the station (Hemet) is non-op on the map, I will update it tonight, I have never seen it go down for more than a day.

[jetboatjohnny]

Got a great fill Thursday evening, 100% - 4,000psi on the gauge.
Let's keep supporting this station - I know it's tempting to fill for 15 cents less at Clean Energy, but look at all their other stations charging around $3.00 DONT do it

[SCChris]

I've used the 3000 psi pump a few time because the 3600 side was in use. Last Friday evening there were 2 cabs and another 07 GX waiting for the 3600 side. I've been getting 3400+ on the 3000 side and about 4k at the 3600 pump. I hope Trillium is delighted by the traffic, I'm happy with the convience and price.

Chris

[peni007]

Agree.. Trillium giving very good fills lately.^

Chris what part of San Clemente do you live in?

[Timon]

Is the price still holding at $2.20? I've not been there since my GX has been in the shop.

It's been there for almost two weeks to get the damaged repaired when someone ripped my front bumper half off while backing out of the parking place next to me. Good think I always back into my parking spot. It's easier to repair front fenders than rear quarter panels plus my stickers are protected. Oh yes, they did leave a note.

I should get it back sometime early next week, I hope Monday when my Prius, with HOV stickers, rental ends.

[c2sox]

Just filled there this morning, price is holding up :D

[peni007]

Filled up last night at $2.20 and shy of 4000 psi. ^

Noticed that Garden Grove CE was priced at $2.30 and tons of cabs waiting in line along with the big Disney truck.:td:

[jetboatjohnny]

Great fill last night about 7, 4,000psi, no wait, 2 taxis when I left.

[orangecng]

$2.27 tonight.

[SCChris]

Peni007 to answer you question on page one.

I'm just south of San Clemente High School.
I commute to USC, 140 miles round trip, in my 07GX. I do this 2-3 days a week the remainder of the time I co-pilot a Vanpool into USC.

Chris

[jetboatjohnny]

I filled last night around 6pm, it stopped at 85% again, but still got about 3600psi. I will hit it again tomorrow about the same time on my way to see "Gas hole" down in Escondido, check the calendar for directions.

[Timon]

I think it was OK this morning but I didn't check the pressure gauge so I don't know if it got to 4,000 as it normally does.

[jetboatjohnny]

Disney should convert it's trams to CNG, the diesel is nasty! The train inside the park also runs on diesel.

[Jennifer]

Believe it or not, there are three fueling stations inside Disneyland. Think of the money they'd save if they used them!

[Timon]

Hi Jennifer,

We all missed you at the cruise-in:( Maybe you can make the next one:)

[fquinonez]

I filled up this morning at 10:57 AM and got a great fill. The price is still $2.279/gge. Now we need Trillium to deploy more stations in SoCal so all those people who told me I was crazy for driving an old CNG CrownVic 5 years ago can start calling me lucky!

[jetboatjohnny]

I got a 65% fill last night (6pm) about 3200psi. I hit it a second time and got 5 cents more. If I was heading to San Diego instead of Escondido I would have drove over to the CE station to top off.

[cnghal]

From what I was told by a Disney employee, the jungle cruise and several other parade floats & rides run on CNG. There equipment, some of which is quite old, can't handle any expansion in use and as for vehicles and engines, they will only use OEMs which means they'll probably stop using CNG as thier equipment dies off due to no OEM replacements.
But look on the bright side, at least that's one station CE will never get thier paws on.

[cngmike]

I know the flat boats (Tom Sawyers Island) are NGV's. They operate there own stations. but contract out their maintenance.

[Timon]

I got a 65% fill last night (6pm) about 3200psi. I hit it a second time and got 5 cents more. If I was heading to San Diego instead of Escondido I would have drove over to the CE station to top off.
I filled up tonight around the same time and got about the same thing on the 3,600 side. Over on the 3,000 side no one was getting much over 3,000. Now there were 6 of us filling but the first in line when I got there was a GX and they did not get a complete fill.

Jennifer, is anything up with the station that we should know about?

[Jennifer]

Only that its overworked! The compressor runs almost all day non-stop. There's too much demand for it to be able to keep up. We are working on getting a second compressor installed there, but it will take time (months, not years).

[CraziFuzzy]

Only that its overworked! The compressor runs almost all day non-stop. There's too much demand for it to be able to keep up. We are working on getting a second compressor installed there, but it will take time (months, not years).

Look at it this way, it may be overworked, but that is from customers that are NOT going to CE.. :-)

[SCChris]

Congrats! Jennifer, your new SoCal station is Bonifide hit!..

:)

SCChris

[jetboatjohnny]

This was the first time I ever saw any competition in CNG fuel!
Jennifer opens station YIPEEE at 2.42 (we got 1.50 fuel for one day), CE drops to 2.29 (60 cents) , Trillium came back at 2.19, then CE was 2.05 for a short time. Then Placentia gets in the game, dropping 40 cents. Then they all went up a dime, not sure what it is now I have been gone for a week in Mexico, and my local station is still 2.19 so I am happy!
I hope you get it upgraded soon, for now I can deal with it, 3,000psi can always get me home from OC.

[Timon]

Everyone,

Both Trillium and CE Garden Grove are at $2.499.

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Jennifer,

Fueled up this morning, July 7, at around 6:30 at only got about 3,400 psi. Unless the station was really busy before I got there I don't think it was a capacity issue.

Are there other reason the pressures were low this morning?

Thanks

[jetboatjohnny]

I hit the station this morning about 9:30 and got 3,500psi from the 3,000psi side (a taxi was filling with the 3,600).

[advocate]

I filled up on Monday and also got almost a full tank on the 3000 psi side. There were two taxis on the 3600 PSI side and I figured I could do most of my filling on the 3000 PSI side and then top off on the 3600 side, but when my tank registered one bar from the top, I called it off.

How can that happen? Anyone?

[Jennifer]

Advocate - are you worried you were getting too much pressure from the 3000 hose? I don't quite understand what happened...

[advocate]

Because my car is a 3600 car, I can't get too much pressure. But, if a 3000 car were filling up next to me on the 3000 pump and got too much pressure, that could be a problem for me, right?


Advocate - are you worried you were getting too much pressure from the 3000 hose? I don't quite understand what happened...

[Jennifer]

The nominal pressure of a system (3000 or 3600) is a working pressure. All systems have a 1.25 safety factor on the fueling system components. So you can fill a 3000 system to 3750 and a 3600 system to 4500 without issue. We have mechanical devices called PRDs or pressure relief devices in the dispenser that are a safety against getting too much pressure in a car. If the dispenser were to somehow malfunction and try to give you too much pressure, the PRD valve would open and it would vent the gas instead of allowing it to go in your car.
Fill pressures are also temperature compensated so on a hot day (above 70), a 3600 system will need to fuel to a higher pressure, on a cold day (below 70) you'll fuel to less than 3600.
So, in summary, its ok that you nearly got a full fill on the 3000 psi hose. The controls and the PRDs make sure that vehicles are filled to a safe pressure. I hope this clarifies your concern!

[advocate]

Maybe I'm not understanding you, but what you're saying doesn't explain how I got almost a full tank in my 3600 PSI car on a pump that's supposed to only pump to 3,000 PSI.

Assuming that all cars have a 1.25 safety factor, a 3,000 PSI car can handle 3,750 PSI as you state. However, that doesn't mean that a 3,000 PSI pump should be pumping 3,600 PSI. Rather, it means that a 3,000 PSI pump should pump to 3,000 PSI, to preserve the 750 PSI safety buffer that the car has built in. If the 3000 PSI pump is pumping to 3,600 PSI, it is eating up the safety buffer quite considerably.

Furthermore, since the 3000 PSI pump is actualy pumping more than 3,000 PSI and the safeties you described did not kick in, this says to me that the safeties aren't working. If I had a 3,000 PSI vehicle, it might not have exploded (since, according to you, the 3,000 PSI can handle up to 3,750 without difficulties). Nevertheless, since the system did pump more than 3,000 and the safeties didn't kick in, it would seem that they are not working. I doubt the safeties can tell when my particular tank will fail. Rather, I suspect that they are designed to cut-off the pressure when it reaches a specific PSI. You haven't indicated what the cut-off is, but it would seem logical to make the cut-off the advertised maximum pressure, in this case, 3,000 PSI.

So, in sum, what you're saying doesn't alleviate my concerns.


The nominal pressure of a system (3000 or 3600) is a working pressure. All systems have a 1.25 safety factor on the fueling system components. So you can fill a 3000 system to 3750 and a 3600 system to 4500 without issue. We have mechanical devices called PRDs or pressure relief devices in the dispenser that are a safety against getting too much pressure in a car. If the dispenser were to somehow malfunction and try to give you too much pressure, the PRD valve would open and it would vent the gas instead of allowing it to go in your car.
Fill pressures are also temperature compensated so on a hot day (above 70), a 3600 system will need to fuel to a higher pressure, on a cold day (below 70) you'll fuel to less than 3600.
So, in summary, its ok that you nearly got a full fill on the 3000 psi hose. The controls and the PRDs make sure that vehicles are filled to a safe pressure. I hope this clarifies your concern!

[Jennifer]

http://www.cngchat.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=290&ppuser=306

Fills are temperature compensated. When its more than 70 degrees outside you need more than 3000 psi to compensate for the effects thermal expansion. Its all kind of technical, but that's how CNG is sold. If stations didn't compensate for the temperature, you'd never get a full fill on a hot day and you'd get too much gas on a cold day. I posted a chart to the image gallery that shows what fill pressures to expect at given temperatures.

[jetboatjohnny]

I got about 3400psi from the 3,000 pump last night about 6pm. There were 3 taxis there and I asked one about the GG station and he said they would rather wait in line here than give then give their money to CE. A GX pulled in as I was leaving and I made sure to inform him of this site. He was asking about the Phil and he had no clue about the other Fuelmaker units.

[jetboatjohnny]

Last night I finally got a great fill on the 3,600psi pump. It was about 7pm, nobody else there, I got 4,000psi (100%), was about 80 degrees out.

[jetboatjohnny]

Best price in OC for fuel!

[Timon]

True but I really hope that they can get the pressure problem fixed soon. I hate only getting 80% fills and that's on the 3,000 psi side:confused:

Small points but:

1) Someone needs to fill the windshield washer container

2) Fix the receipt printer so it does not spit out a foot of paper.


So Jennifer, what's the status of the additional compressor and the other issues?

[cngmike]

Called in at 5:30 today that the 3600 card reader was not working and no printer paper in 3000 printer. What else would you expect from a Greenfield (Gelbarco) dispenser. If you have a problem do us all a favor and call the 800 number if you have a problem at a station.

[Jennifer]

Hi All: Just a quick note about some of your concerns - I'm glad you like the windshield thing. It is supposed to be filled every day when the techs do their routine check, I'll remind them.
The receipt issue was fixed at one time. I don't know why its doing it again. I've got a message in to the dispenser company.
We are all ready for a second compressor! Everything has been ordered but now we have to wait for it to arrive. Once everything is on site we'll need some time to get it online. Realistically, it could be 4 -5 months still. Believe me, we want it to be online as much as you do!
FYI - We did get funding from the MSRC to make other improvements to the station, so a second dispenser is in the works as well.

[cngmike]

True redundancy the hallmark of a proper CNG station. Are you listening CE & So. Cal.

[Timon]

Thanks Jennifer, it's nice when we get updates.

I wonder if there is a water line anywhere near the dispenser? If not maybe one could be added when you add the second dispenser. Add a short 2 foot hose and we could refill the washing tank when it gets low.

I hope the second compressor is bigger than the current one. I worry that with a second dispenser we'll be right back where we are now if it's the same size.

FYI, I've not use a CE station since Anaheim went online, keep up the good work.

PS, I hope that you can take over Garden Grove sometime in the future:) CE would be forced to lower the price at Seal Beach and Long Beach.

[Timon]

Jennifer,

Arrived at the station around 6:15 am.

Only got about 3,400 rather than the normal 4,000. Seems strange since no one was around until I was ready to leave.

The lights were not on so I was filling up in the dark.

The printer is printing foot long receipts again. It was working find yesterday.

[jetboatjohnny]

I had a bit of trouble at the station this morning (9:30am), the card reader was not working, there was a gentleman in a CV with 450,000 miles on it having the same problem on the 3,000 side. I was just about to leave and it was back up and working, but I got a 67% fill, around 3,300psi. I got a normal sized receipt

[CraziFuzzy]

there was a gentleman in a CV with 450,000 miles on it having the same problem on the 3,000 side.

:eek: 450,000! Wow, now I feel really good driving my 'Brand New' 97 with 185,000!

[cnghal]

Crazi,
I used to drive Yellow Cab CVs that went past 400k on gasoline before they started smoking. CVs and E350 vans running CNG should be good for at least 600k if well taken care of. I have an '99 E350 with 562k on it.^

[jetboatjohnny]

He said it was the original engine and tranny, one water pump and the alternator at 420k. it was a little beat up.

[jetboatjohnny]

Last night (6pm) I got 72% 3400psi from the 3600 pump. It seems I get about the same pressure from the 3000 side. It looks like I will go back to filling at the Diamond Bar pump, now that their price has come down, and I usually get a great 4,000+ fill.

[jetboatjohnny]

I had a 2 night stay in OC this week so I need to get fuel last night. I put my card in and afer a while it gave me a AUTH200 code declined OOPS! I called and they reset the pump, but it did it again. Well it was all my fault, I forgot to pay the bill. I would like to thank "Bob" for letting me pay him cash to use his card. He insisted that my Visa atm card would not work after I started the training video, so I canceled it. I have used my atm card at the Hemet station no problem, I think it may work there too.
Jennifer, it was 6pm and the lights were not on yet, maybe you can get someone to fix it? Gotta love the 1.979 price!

[nexusplexus9]

Filled up twice this week at this location at night.
Convenient from the 5 fwy. Pressure was good and filled 100%
Was wondering why it smells like urine, until today.
Saw a cab driver relieving himself until I got there.

[jetboatjohnny]

Was the light above the pump working? I agree it has probably the easiest access of any stations, but you need to use the carpool lane (Gene Autry Drive) and for me I cant get back on south and legally hit the 22 east, so I get on at State College. That section of the carpool lane is very restrictive, after the crush you can only exit at Main street and the 55 south.
Dayumm cabbies!

[ngdriver]

the Trillium station is totally unreliable. everytime I go there something is wrong

[jetboatjohnny]

I was filling there once a week for quite a while and always managed to get fuel. About half of the time I only got around 75% fill, around 3,000psi. Most of the time it is busy so I just use the 3,000 side, and in the summer got as much as 3500psi. I forgot to top off this morning so I will be heading there tonight.

[jetboatjohnny]

The light is still not working (6:45PM last night), the light by the electrical boxes was working though. My Visa ATM card works there, and I sooo enjoyed watching the training video! WOW I just hit 500, John & Mods the "senior" really makes me feel old.

[jetboatjohnny]

Might as well have them drop the price too, seeing as how the cabbies are filling at the Arco (CE) now for 1.73

[gringostar]

I was filling there once a week for quite a while and always managed to get fuel. About half of the time I only got around 75% fill, around 3,000psi. Most of the time it is busy so I just use the 3,000 side, and in the summer got as much as 3500psi. I forgot to top off this morning so I will be heading there tonight.

I concur. Welcome back to the lines at the Arco GG station.

[lovemygx]

I fueled this morning at the GG Arco station - it was only $1.299!

[ngdriver]

There seems to be a lot of grumbling on this site about Clean Energy. I got a full fill at the Clean Energy site this morning in Moreno Valley. What other company is building a RELIABLE fueling network in California at competitive prices? I only know of one Trillium site. They are cretainly welcome but they do not have a network nor is the station reliable.
It seems to me that we as ng vehicle drivers should be supporting those companies that are making a significant investment into the industry, especially in this economy. I think that if Clean Energy disappears, so will the public fueling cng industry.

[CraziFuzzy]

There seems to be a lot of grumbling on this site about Clean Energy. I got a full fill at the Clean Energy site this morning in Moreno Valley. What other company is building a RELIABLE fueling network in California at competitive prices? I only know of one Trillium site. They are cretainly welcome but they do not have a network nor is the station reliable.
It seems to me that we as ng vehicle drivers should be supporting those companies that are making a significant investment into the industry, especially in this economy. I think that if Clean Energy disappears, so will the public fueling cng industry.

To be fair ngdriver, this is new that Clean Energy is selling at competetive prices. No-one argues that they probably run the best maintained and operated fueling stations, however, when most are driving CNG as a cheaper alternative, cost is all that matters. This is the first time i have EVER seen clean energy as a cheaper alternative, and my guess is that they are taking a considerable loss on the sales, just to get some more leverage behind the Pickens Sham.

[Tax Counsel]

To be fair ngdriver, this is new that Clean Energy is selling at competetive prices. No-one argues that they probably run the best maintained and operated fueling stations, however, when most are driving CNG as a cheaper alternative, cost is all that matters. This is the first time i have EVER seen clean energy as a cheaper alternative, and my guess is that they are taking a considerable loss on the sales, just to get some more leverage behind the Pickens Sham.

I have to second Crazi's comments:

(1) CE's current price closely follows what I believe to be their traditional pricing: Gasoline cost less 50¢ per gge. With regular unleaded at +/- $1.79 right now, the $1.29 price is right on target. Although it's nice that CE has lowered their prices, just wait until gasoline hits $4 / gallon again. If trends hold true, CE will probably be around $3.50/gge.

(2) Rate-regulated utilities, ones that have to follow a specific pricing formula based on the commodity cost of NG + the cost of compression + regulated profit, are now over $2/gee in the traditionally expensive winter season. If the rate-regulated utilities are over $2 per gge, I strongly believe that Crazi's speculation is correct: CE is taking a major loss right now in their effort to maintain their pricing strategy.

(3) Yes, Trillium isn't matching what appears to be CE's loss leader--but do you really expect anyone to operate at a loss? I filled up at Anaheim this morning at $1.699. Trillium has managed to improve both the appearance and reliability of this station--they even have a window squeegee. Doesn't anyone remember how bad it was when SoCalGas ran it?

Lastly, I must raise suspicions about motivations of the poster who joined in Nov 2008. To date, that person made all of three posts: two critical of Trillium, and one critical of the city of Riverside. Did I mention that two of those posts also extolled the virtues of CE, going so much as to shout that CE is reliable?

http://cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=22057#post22057
http://cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=22055#post22055
http://cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=19860#post19860

Did you notice that this person always manages to fully spell out and correctly capitalize CE's name and how the poster speculated that if CE "disappears, so will the public fueling cng industry"? Do we have ourselves a CE lurker? Is CE starting to engage in guerrilla marketing?

[ngdriver]

WOW!!!!!!!
I love how stirred up some get on this Trillium sponsored site. Hmmmm I think that should raise a few suspicions.....
FYI, I am a medical sales rep and love driving my cng car because I spend almost all day in my car going from dr office to dr office, my car is clean and the gas in cheap.
I do appreciate Clean Energys stations because they have a RELIABLE network. Most of the municiple public access sites are terribly unreliable. When I discovered this site a few months ago, I was shocked at all the negative chat about a company (Clean Energy) that in my view is very positive for the industry. But then again what can you expect from a site when it is sponsored from a competitor to Clean Energy.

[John Mitton]

But then again what can you expect from a site when it is sponsored from a competitor to Clean Energy.

We appreciate our sponsors who assist in keeping CNGchat a financially viable resource on the Internet. :) Sponsorship at CNGchat is non-exclusive and open to all reputable industry participants. Participation by CE or other refueling service providers in addition to Trillium is certianly welcome.

[CraziFuzzy]

WOW!!!!!!!
I love how stirred up some get on this Trillium sponsored site. Hmmmm I think that should raise a few suspicions.....
FYI, I am a medical sales rep and love driving my cng car because I spend almost all day in my car going from dr office to dr office, my car is clean and the gas in cheap.
I do appreciate Clean Energys stations because they have a RELIABLE network. Most of the municiple public access sites are terribly unreliable. When I discovered this site a few months ago, I was shocked at all the negative chat about a company (Clean Energy) that in my view is very positive for the industry. But then again what can you expect from a site when it is sponsored from a competitor to Clean Energy.

My guess is you haven't been using those stations for very long then. If you had been through any of the municipal -> clean energy handoff's, you would be just as upset as us with them. My example is the Long beach Gas station on Spring St. IT was a reliable, working station, with excellent pricing when CE came in. They nearly immediately replaced the perfectly working dispensers with more expensive, yet no more funtional, models. They also went on and raised the price by over $1/gge in a matter of a couple months. Natural Gas prices had not changed during this time period. Their practice was to come in, and get the fleet to let them take over, and they would offer a lower, decent price, to the fleet, and a HUGE markup to the public. They have also ignored any requests for small groups of people to sign up as a fleet to regain the reasonable pricing. How do you say this is GOOD for the public fueling infrastructure?

I have, at many times, defended clean energy and thier prices, because, as a business, they should charge as much as they can sell the product for. That's how the market works. However, this does NOT mean i believe they are GOOD for the market. Trillium was the first privatly owned competitor to Clean Energy's prices, and has been the only thing keeping CE's prices in check in that area.

[jetboatjohnny]

This big drop in CE prices has got to be a direct ploy by T-Bone to get Americans on the CNG bandwagon. Also his fleets have to get a better price than gasoline, maybe he has some prospective deals going on now, thus the drastic drop in prices. I have been going to the Anaheim station over the GG-CE station when it was not such a big price difference. Today on my way home from the OC I drove to the Moreno Valley Station and coming from the north instead of dealing with the construction on Oleander (Where I wrecked my GX) I came down Indian and it was closed, so I had to drive a long way around, got my fuel. When heading home Oleander was closed going west to the 215, even tho Ramona (eastbound) is a shorter drive for me. I am not sure it is worth the extra driving, and for people coming down the 215 to get fuel, it is probably about 5 miles just to get back to the freeway with all the construction. It is 73 cents/GGE difference for me, so 1.299 vs 2.027 so I gotta figure if it's worth saving 3 bucks a night for about 20-30 minutes extra on my drive. OK RANTs done!

[Tax Counsel]

Filled at Anaheim last night for $1.300!

[jetboatjohnny]

They were probably losing a lot of buisness to CE there for a while.

[jetboatjohnny]

Great fill last night, did another 200+ mile stretch on a little over 5 GGE, but the price is up to 1.499.

[jetboatjohnny]

I only got 72% on Wednesday night, looked like about 3200psi, gauge is hard to see in the dark. The light does not do much on the 3600 side, you cant read the buttons on the keypad. The other side is ok with the lights from the parking lot. The only fill I got where the gauge showed full was in Hemet w/3700psi but it went down to 19 bars (yes I counted them, there are 20) by the time I got home (4 miles).

[gringostar]

I only got 72% on Wednesday night, looked like about 3200psi, gauge is hard to see in the dark. The light does not do much on the 3600 side, you cant read the buttons on the keypad. The other side is ok with the lights from the parking lot. The only fill I got where the gauge showed full was in Hemet w/3700psi but it went down to 19 bars (yes I counted them, there are 20) by the time I got home (4 miles).

Are there still long lines of taxis there or have they all gone to the Anaheim Valero CE station??

[cngsteve]

I think that the Valero CE site has taken a lot of the taxi load. Rare that I have to wait at all now at Trillium. At most, just wait for one taxi to finish at the 3600 pump, or use the 3000.

Personally, it's not worth the 10 cents difference to travel through the 15 or so lights on the roundtrip to Valero and back to the 5 freeway. It seems that CE has not yet caught up with the recent Trillium price increase, but I'm sure they'll raise it soon to maintain the 10 cents difference.

The nearby Arco price hasn't been updated since Thanksgiving on cngprices. That pump must be growing cobwebs.

[gringostar]

I think that the Valero CE site has taken a lot of the taxi load. Rare that I have to wait at all now at Trillium. At most, just wait for one taxi to finish at the 3600 pump, or use the 3000.

Personally, it's not worth the 10 cents difference to travel through the 15 or so lights on the roundtrip to Valero and back to the 5 freeway. It seems that CE has not yet caught up with the recent Trillium price increase, but I'm sure they'll raise it soon to maintain the 10 cents difference.

The nearby Arco price hasn't been updated since Thanksgiving on cngprices. That pump must be growing cobwebs.

I love that ARCO station. I miss it.

[Jennifer]

A head's up to all the CNG chat users of our Anaheim station - we will be replacing the dispenser and fuel management system next week. (It's a TGT dispenser and OPW fuel management, for all of you technically curious folks out there.) The new equipment will be installed on Wednesday, so the site will not be available during the day. On Thursday we will back up and running with the new system. We will also be on-site most of the day to make sure everyone gets trained. We hope you like the changes and the improved fueling experience.
Thanks for your continued business!
Jennifer

[Tax Counsel]

Jennifer ~ Please tell us that you're keeping a 3000 nozzle at the Anaheim location!

Thanks,
TC

[cngacrossusa]

Way to go Tom Sewell of Tulsa Gas Technologies . . . . getting work out in California !!

How about some new public pumps in AR, MO, KS, NE, TN, IA, TX, etc ??

[Jennifer]

Good news, we are keeping the 3000 psi hose.

Also, we have moved the install date to the week of April 12th.

[Tax Counsel]

THANK YOU!

(Please pardon me for shouting.)

TC

[Jennifer]

The new dispenser and fuel management will be installed tomorrow and Wednesday. The new equipment will be online on by Thursday. We will have someone on site Wednesday night and Thursday to help you walk through the new fueling process.

[Tax Counsel]

I wish I had visited CNG Chat yesterday... I nearly coasted in on fumes this am and there was Jennfer's crew dismantling the old Greenfield dispenser. Lucky for me I could take the train today from Anaheim Stadium. I may be calling Triple A tonight if I don't make it to another P30 station.